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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-34143</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've just been reading the above with great interest &#38; would like to weigh in a few points of my own;

Firstly - whilst this has been touched on above - producers in general largely make most of their money from playing live or DJing. I’ve heard James Holden state before that the reason Border Community has limited releases is that his DJing pays his rent, etc. so he can afford to release tracks he really likes as opposed to releasing tracks in order to survive.

As stated above, blogs, livesets &#38; mixes for the likes of Resident Advisor can only help to raise the profile of the particular artist - thus leading to more gigs.

Another point which I think hasn’t been touched on yet is the rapid pace technology has improved &#38; will continue to do. Think back 5-7 years ago, producers, DJs, etc. were then a relatively popular breed, who carried out their work in typically traditional methods – getting signed, booking a studio, et al. This has now been completely bypassed with the aid of cheap, free &#38; fast technology which enables everyman &#38; their dog to produce tracks – I personally know a good amount of people churning out stuff nowadays where as before it was left to an elite few…

This has contributed to creating the overall result of the previous output increasing ten-fold within a mere matter of years. This in turn has deemed it almost impossible for even the most dedicated of fans to keep track of what’s going on without having to illicitly download at some point. 

So in short, the more music being produced, the more throwaway &#38; dispensable individual tracks become.

Within the next year or so, the main way I can foresee this affecting the likes of Mr. Pearson &#38; co. is the reduction of exclusiveness between the performer / DJ and the audience – where once promos / unsigned gems that DJ’s could keep up their sleeve as their ‘big’ record that no-one else was playing, is now that track that a fraction of the dancefloor know &#38; recognise due to blogs &#38; previously recorded sets. This, I predict will result in DJ’s digging backwards to find older / exclusive / rare tracks for playing out &#38; quite possibly remixing / editing themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just been reading the above with great interest &amp; would like to weigh in a few points of my own;</p>
<p>Firstly - whilst this has been touched on above - producers in general largely make most of their money from playing live or DJing. I’ve heard James Holden state before that the reason Border Community has limited releases is that his DJing pays his rent, etc. so he can afford to release tracks he really likes as opposed to releasing tracks in order to survive.</p>
<p>As stated above, blogs, livesets &amp; mixes for the likes of Resident Advisor can only help to raise the profile of the particular artist - thus leading to more gigs.</p>
<p>Another point which I think hasn’t been touched on yet is the rapid pace technology has improved &amp; will continue to do. Think back 5-7 years ago, producers, DJs, etc. were then a relatively popular breed, who carried out their work in typically traditional methods – getting signed, booking a studio, et al. This has now been completely bypassed with the aid of cheap, free &amp; fast technology which enables everyman &amp; their dog to produce tracks – I personally know a good amount of people churning out stuff nowadays where as before it was left to an elite few…</p>
<p>This has contributed to creating the overall result of the previous output increasing ten-fold within a mere matter of years. This in turn has deemed it almost impossible for even the most dedicated of fans to keep track of what’s going on without having to illicitly download at some point. </p>
<p>So in short, the more music being produced, the more throwaway &amp; dispensable individual tracks become.</p>
<p>Within the next year or so, the main way I can foresee this affecting the likes of Mr. Pearson &amp; co. is the reduction of exclusiveness between the performer / DJ and the audience – where once promos / unsigned gems that DJ’s could keep up their sleeve as their ‘big’ record that no-one else was playing, is now that track that a fraction of the dancefloor know &amp; recognise due to blogs &amp; previously recorded sets. This, I predict will result in DJ’s digging backwards to find older / exclusive / rare tracks for playing out &amp; quite possibly remixing / editing themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: To what end &#171; Little White Earbuds</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-33998</link>
		<author>To what end &#171; Little White Earbuds</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-33998</guid>
		<description>[...] deal of money spent making the product available. The internal debate intensified as Ewan Pearson, Ronan and JBH spoke their mind on the issue, providing convincing arguments for and against the practice. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] deal of money spent making the product available. The internal debate intensified as Ewan Pearson, Ronan and JBH spoke their mind on the issue, providing convincing arguments for and against the practice. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Danjus</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31353</link>
		<author>Danjus</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 05:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31353</guid>
		<description>I think everybody should be paid for their work, everybody. If we go back in time, 30 years ago, to record a track you should be Elvis or rich, and electronic music was what? Now, with $200 PC and $100 guitar you could have a hit maker machine;) 
It's all about idea, quality and recognition. Yeah, I know, $200 PC is not a quality, but if you have good idea or good track, you'll get you $50.000 studio quickly.

So, if you're new (or should I call it 'undiscovered') artist, you should be very pleased when you see your tracks on somebody's HD, but if you're a upcoming hit maker, than you're probably already greedy - so go and chase all those kids who loves your music...ad share it...

Remember, if you have money and you don't want to pay a cent to band or artist, than you are bad person.

But 'big brother' is working and watching, don't worry for temporary huge stealing. Sooner or later it's gonna be hard to copy even mp3 file, so some of the artist will be pleased.... but what if they're 'big' thanks to their popularity on p2p networks and torrents sites? Who's gonna find out?

And what is the difference for the artist if the DJ 's playing stolen track in the bar, or if 100 people download it separately and playing in their iPods? If you don't get paid, no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everybody should be paid for their work, everybody. If we go back in time, 30 years ago, to record a track you should be Elvis or rich, and electronic music was what? Now, with $200 PC and $100 guitar you could have a hit maker machine;)<br />
It&#8217;s all about idea, quality and recognition. Yeah, I know, $200 PC is not a quality, but if you have good idea or good track, you&#8217;ll get you $50.000 studio quickly.</p>
<p>So, if you&#8217;re new (or should I call it &#8216;undiscovered&#8217;) artist, you should be very pleased when you see your tracks on somebody&#8217;s HD, but if you&#8217;re a upcoming hit maker, than you&#8217;re probably already greedy - so go and chase all those kids who loves your music&#8230;ad share it&#8230;</p>
<p>Remember, if you have money and you don&#8217;t want to pay a cent to band or artist, than you are bad person.</p>
<p>But &#8216;big brother&#8217; is working and watching, don&#8217;t worry for temporary huge stealing. Sooner or later it&#8217;s gonna be hard to copy even mp3 file, so some of the artist will be pleased&#8230;. but what if they&#8217;re &#8216;big&#8217; thanks to their popularity on p2p networks and torrents sites? Who&#8217;s gonna find out?</p>
<p>And what is the difference for the artist if the DJ &#8217;s playing stolen track in the bar, or if 100 people download it separately and playing in their iPods? If you don&#8217;t get paid, no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31288</link>
		<author>todd</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31288</guid>
		<description>actually now that i think about it, ewan's fabric album has been my most dwnld shit in the last 2 weeks, to think, i actually feel bad closing slsk when people are half-way through the dwnld, who needs money ?? check the dumpster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually now that i think about it, ewan&#8217;s fabric album has been my most dwnld shit in the last 2 weeks, to think, i actually feel bad closing slsk when people are half-way through the dwnld, who needs money ?? check the dumpster.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31284</link>
		<author>todd</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31284</guid>
		<description>btw your modifyer mix was enjoyed, unlike that cunt who couldn't 'get into it' . do ya need some bloody horse tranquilizers mate ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw your modifyer mix was enjoyed, unlike that cunt who couldn&#8217;t &#8216;get into it&#8217; . do ya need some bloody horse tranquilizers mate ?</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31283</link>
		<author>todd</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-31283</guid>
		<description>well for starters i'd probably buy more(any) mp3's if they didn't cost a buck a shot. to me they should be 10 cents a track or max 25 cents (i'd steal if they were). really, screw em' i seriously don't give a fuck. i have no problem sleeping on my tempur-pedic mattress after all the money i saved on tunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well for starters i&#8217;d probably buy more(any) mp3&#8217;s if they didn&#8217;t cost a buck a shot. to me they should be 10 cents a track or max 25 cents (i&#8217;d steal if they were). really, screw em&#8217; i seriously don&#8217;t give a fuck. i have no problem sleeping on my tempur-pedic mattress after all the money i saved on tunes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tay</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30919</link>
		<author>Tay</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30919</guid>
		<description>Thanks for this thoughtful and balanced post.  I'm one of the "collector nerds with a blog" who's been downloading so long I've forgotten what it feels like to think it's wrong.  (Incidentally, I'm also a person who spends as much money as I can on CDs, records, concert tickets, etc.)

I just don't get all this moral indignation about downloading.  Public libraries are still free, museums don't charge you for each painting you look at, and although music is quite obviously different, the idea that it's possible or desirable to make people pay for every song they want to hear is ridiculous and an invention of the music industry.  Why is it free access to literature and art is a hallmark of civilization, but music must be paid for on a per-unit basis?   The current system doesn't serve artists or fans; it reduces music to a mere product.  I don't care if it makes me corny for thinking music can and should be more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this thoughtful and balanced post.  I&#8217;m one of the &#8220;collector nerds with a blog&#8221; who&#8217;s been downloading so long I&#8217;ve forgotten what it feels like to think it&#8217;s wrong.  (Incidentally, I&#8217;m also a person who spends as much money as I can on CDs, records, concert tickets, etc.)</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get all this moral indignation about downloading.  Public libraries are still free, museums don&#8217;t charge you for each painting you look at, and although music is quite obviously different, the idea that it&#8217;s possible or desirable to make people pay for every song they want to hear is ridiculous and an invention of the music industry.  Why is it free access to literature and art is a hallmark of civilization, but music must be paid for on a per-unit basis?   The current system doesn&#8217;t serve artists or fans; it reduces music to a mere product.  I don&#8217;t care if it makes me corny for thinking music can and should be more.</p>
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		<title>By: ms.a</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30295</link>
		<author>ms.a</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30295</guid>
		<description>Great post, fascinating!

I agree that mp3 bloggers should post tracks at 128k rather than 320k and at the very least an mp3 blogger should post a link to a myspace or where to buy the track, EP, or album. I actually prefer having a flash player to hear the song rather than just a link to download it and then listen to it on your comp.

Most of the mp3 blogs I've seen include a disclaimer about mp3s only being available for a short time or being taken down upon request, or uploaded at a lower bitrate, etc. But of course, once it's been downloaded, that person is able to redistribute it any way they want. However, it seems like shooting yourself in the foot for an artist to request a link to be removed, when it's on an established blog in a post with a glowing review, alongside other reviews that include links to the tracks. There should be some kind of third way, like allowing the blogger to embed the track in a flash player (i.e. "stream") rather than download, or supply a clip to be downloaded rather than the full track. It's much easier to put a download link or a link to a filesharing site in your blog than it is to put a flash player or a good clip - why is that? If people want to blog about an artist, shouldn't that be encouraged? And wouldn't it make more sense to provide bloggers with tools to do that so that artists could have more control over how that is done? I mean, the artist is pretty much assured that, if they get blogged about at all, it's going to be positive. No one blogs about a song they hate and then posts a link to it. (At least not that I've ever seen.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, fascinating!</p>
<p>I agree that mp3 bloggers should post tracks at 128k rather than 320k and at the very least an mp3 blogger should post a link to a myspace or where to buy the track, EP, or album. I actually prefer having a flash player to hear the song rather than just a link to download it and then listen to it on your comp.</p>
<p>Most of the mp3 blogs I&#8217;ve seen include a disclaimer about mp3s only being available for a short time or being taken down upon request, or uploaded at a lower bitrate, etc. But of course, once it&#8217;s been downloaded, that person is able to redistribute it any way they want. However, it seems like shooting yourself in the foot for an artist to request a link to be removed, when it&#8217;s on an established blog in a post with a glowing review, alongside other reviews that include links to the tracks. There should be some kind of third way, like allowing the blogger to embed the track in a flash player (i.e. &#8220;stream&#8221;) rather than download, or supply a clip to be downloaded rather than the full track. It&#8217;s much easier to put a download link or a link to a filesharing site in your blog than it is to put a flash player or a good clip - why is that? If people want to blog about an artist, shouldn&#8217;t that be encouraged? And wouldn&#8217;t it make more sense to provide bloggers with tools to do that so that artists could have more control over how that is done? I mean, the artist is pretty much assured that, if they get blogged about at all, it&#8217;s going to be positive. No one blogs about a song they hate and then posts a link to it. (At least not that I&#8217;ve ever seen.)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30225</link>
		<author>Matt</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30225</guid>
		<description>I'm in a weird position, because I've been downloading mp3s illegally for a long time now, and like many people I have quite a collection.  Yeah, I buy records every once-in-a-while but my (non-burned) CD collection pales in comparison to my mp3 collection.  If I didn't have the option to download I don't know where I would be, I don't have the money to buy many records, the amount I could afford would just be ridiculously small compared to what I want to hear.  

And now I even find myself DJ-ing (mp3j-ing?) for people at parties.  So I'm playing only illegally downloaded music for a lot of people, basically creating a party out of nothing.  Now, I haven't played an actual gig, you know, no money coming my way.  But you can see where this is going; it is way easier to DJ illegally than legally, in every imaginable way.  What's to stop this from happening?  Club owners keeping tabs on the DJ's they hire?  Do they actually care?

I don't feel guilty about the position I'm in, I firmly believe downloading music isn't a crime.  I think information of all types should be free.  The internet thrives on that rule, and I don't see how it's ever going to change.  It seems like it will only become easier and easier to share massive amounts of data, movies, music, etc.  I think artists of all types will have to become more creative in how the present their ideas, they will have to be able to deliver an experience that cannot be distilled down to 1's and 0's and sent through email.  I would never steal the physical product of an artist, and if I wanted the physical product, I would buy it.

It's a sensitive situation because I respect very many people who disagree with me, and I consider myself an artist, so I'm constantly coming to terms with the post-internet world, too.  It will be awhile before everyone comes to accept all the changes that the internet will force upon us, but people holding on to an obsolete business model will be the ones who feel the change most painfully.

Just to avoid some flak I might get for this:  I do try to support artists in every way that is within my means.  My attitude towards file-sharing reflects my attitude towards money in general, that is, music is much more important to me than money.  So I go through any means possible to hear music, and if its live, I'm certainly gladly willing to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a weird position, because I&#8217;ve been downloading mp3s illegally for a long time now, and like many people I have quite a collection.  Yeah, I buy records every once-in-a-while but my (non-burned) CD collection pales in comparison to my mp3 collection.  If I didn&#8217;t have the option to download I don&#8217;t know where I would be, I don&#8217;t have the money to buy many records, the amount I could afford would just be ridiculously small compared to what I want to hear.  </p>
<p>And now I even find myself DJ-ing (mp3j-ing?) for people at parties.  So I&#8217;m playing only illegally downloaded music for a lot of people, basically creating a party out of nothing.  Now, I haven&#8217;t played an actual gig, you know, no money coming my way.  But you can see where this is going; it is way easier to DJ illegally than legally, in every imaginable way.  What&#8217;s to stop this from happening?  Club owners keeping tabs on the DJ&#8217;s they hire?  Do they actually care?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel guilty about the position I&#8217;m in, I firmly believe downloading music isn&#8217;t a crime.  I think information of all types should be free.  The internet thrives on that rule, and I don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s ever going to change.  It seems like it will only become easier and easier to share massive amounts of data, movies, music, etc.  I think artists of all types will have to become more creative in how the present their ideas, they will have to be able to deliver an experience that cannot be distilled down to 1&#8217;s and 0&#8217;s and sent through email.  I would never steal the physical product of an artist, and if I wanted the physical product, I would buy it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sensitive situation because I respect very many people who disagree with me, and I consider myself an artist, so I&#8217;m constantly coming to terms with the post-internet world, too.  It will be awhile before everyone comes to accept all the changes that the internet will force upon us, but people holding on to an obsolete business model will be the ones who feel the change most painfully.</p>
<p>Just to avoid some flak I might get for this:  I do try to support artists in every way that is within my means.  My attitude towards file-sharing reflects my attitude towards money in general, that is, music is much more important to me than money.  So I go through any means possible to hear music, and if its live, I&#8217;m certainly gladly willing to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: trees</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30111</link>
		<author>trees</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2007/07/22/mpfrees/#comment-30111</guid>
		<description>I admit my bias (ahem), but I would like to second or third the notion that a lot of times blogs have exposed me to artists I wouldn't have heard otherwise.  The next time I'm in a record shop after downloading such-and-such track, I'm more likely to give records by those artists a spin, and more likely to buy them.  Digging through crates, listening to mixes, and occasional trainspotting is great, and learning that way is rewarding and fun, but without some knowledge of what artists-- especially newer artists--sound like, going through the average record shop would be an overwhelming and needlessly painful activity.  That and sample-surfing on the internet sometimes leads to spotty results, as mentioned above.

The point that you bring up about music critics and promos is also well-taken.  I get some promos, but not nearly as many or as quality-driven as I'd like.  Why should some critics get at all the tracks and good shit out there while the rest of us spend money on the same stuff and eat peanut butter for months on end?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit my bias (ahem), but I would like to second or third the notion that a lot of times blogs have exposed me to artists I wouldn&#8217;t have heard otherwise.  The next time I&#8217;m in a record shop after downloading such-and-such track, I&#8217;m more likely to give records by those artists a spin, and more likely to buy them.  Digging through crates, listening to mixes, and occasional trainspotting is great, and learning that way is rewarding and fun, but without some knowledge of what artists&#8211; especially newer artists&#8211;sound like, going through the average record shop would be an overwhelming and needlessly painful activity.  That and sample-surfing on the internet sometimes leads to spotty results, as mentioned above.</p>
<p>The point that you bring up about music critics and promos is also well-taken.  I get some promos, but not nearly as many or as quality-driven as I&#8217;d like.  Why should some critics get at all the tracks and good shit out there while the rest of us spend money on the same stuff and eat peanut butter for months on end?</p>
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