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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-275794</link>
		<author>Ciaran</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is fair to say that most people who go clubbing go because they like that type of music and so do friends. There are only a few who really watch over the internet to find the latest sound, most couldnt give a hoot. It's the way of acid house and I personally hope it stays that way otherwise the scene would be too boring...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fair to say that most people who go clubbing go because they like that type of music and so do friends. There are only a few who really watch over the internet to find the latest sound, most couldnt give a hoot. It&#8217;s the way of acid house and I personally hope it stays that way otherwise the scene would be too boring&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dari</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-270842</link>
		<author>dari</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-270842</guid>
		<description>just to come back to the Sherburne discussion...


what strikes me is that he only asks 
more or less established artists and other players to play the manifesto game. 

Obviously they are gonna voice their genre-specific worries. I'm sure if he had asked people on the other side of the DJ booth, answers would have been more positive overall (but with less depth probably, but in the case of average Joe clubbers does their weekly dance music consumption demand profound reflexions require profound reflexion and engagement? probably not!)

I was surprised how elitist and close-minded some answers from DJs, producers and other players could be: most of the technological advances which have undoubtedly enabled broader diffusion of their music (be it an mp3 on myspace, or an impromptu laptot liveset at an afterparty) are not given the credit they deserve. Instead they are systematically put down and their negative aspects emphasized. Of course over-compression sucks, virtual synths are never on par with the real thing, and improper mastering is very very annoying but come on DJ and producers, amongst these people bouncing to your set in the club or the techno stage, how many people do you think give a damn about these details? Not many at 02:42 am!

So overall the manifestos could be seen as subtle indicators of the fears and concerns of the happy few which make a living from e-music. Obviously their outlook will be different that an average clubber. But it seems like these existential problems are recurrent within the scene: when it's not minimal, it's digital downloads, laptops or compression , soon it's going to be the house revival and the deep vibe, etc etc. 

I guess its natural to have concerns and it makes said group stronger and united to collectively put down the same things...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to come back to the Sherburne discussion&#8230;</p>
<p>what strikes me is that he only asks<br />
more or less established artists and other players to play the manifesto game. </p>
<p>Obviously they are gonna voice their genre-specific worries. I&#8217;m sure if he had asked people on the other side of the DJ booth, answers would have been more positive overall (but with less depth probably, but in the case of average Joe clubbers does their weekly dance music consumption demand profound reflexions require profound reflexion and engagement? probably not!)</p>
<p>I was surprised how elitist and close-minded some answers from DJs, producers and other players could be: most of the technological advances which have undoubtedly enabled broader diffusion of their music (be it an mp3 on myspace, or an impromptu laptot liveset at an afterparty) are not given the credit they deserve. Instead they are systematically put down and their negative aspects emphasized. Of course over-compression sucks, virtual synths are never on par with the real thing, and improper mastering is very very annoying but come on DJ and producers, amongst these people bouncing to your set in the club or the techno stage, how many people do you think give a damn about these details? Not many at 02:42 am!</p>
<p>So overall the manifestos could be seen as subtle indicators of the fears and concerns of the happy few which make a living from e-music. Obviously their outlook will be different that an average clubber. But it seems like these existential problems are recurrent within the scene: when it&#8217;s not minimal, it&#8217;s digital downloads, laptops or compression , soon it&#8217;s going to be the house revival and the deep vibe, etc etc. </p>
<p>I guess its natural to have concerns and it makes said group stronger and united to collectively put down the same things&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mike d</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-269620</link>
		<author>mike d</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-269620</guid>
		<description>I, too, took issue with this comment: "A party culture (and drug culture) predicated upon parties that never end can only result in a music that thumps dully away without surprise or meaningful variation."

Sherburne's comment here saddens me, mostly because I like a lot of his criticism. What right does he have to pass moral judgment on the people who help pay his bills? Granted, I've only seen a microscopic corner of the dance music world (by comparison, that is), but the all-night parties I've been to were more refreshing than jading.

In high school, Basement Jaxx were just as fun for dancing as any of the punk records I loved at the time. As long as my friends show up at parties with mp3s or turntables or drum sets, I'll keep dancing. Blog-house, frog-house,  whatever.

Oh, and maybe this is a credit to Mr. Fitzgerald more than anyone else, but the comments on this blog (and, in dance music blogs generally) tend to be more carefully crafted than any I read on the internet. Everyone up there above me: you have said some wise things.

Also--if any of the producers responding to Mr. Sherburne's call for manifestos would like to hear of some DJs still using wax and decks, I would be happy to mail them a long list of blogs and names. For Pete's sake, guys, you're on the internet. Reality shouldn't be THAT far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, took issue with this comment: &#8220;A party culture (and drug culture) predicated upon parties that never end can only result in a music that thumps dully away without surprise or meaningful variation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sherburne&#8217;s comment here saddens me, mostly because I like a lot of his criticism. What right does he have to pass moral judgment on the people who help pay his bills? Granted, I&#8217;ve only seen a microscopic corner of the dance music world (by comparison, that is), but the all-night parties I&#8217;ve been to were more refreshing than jading.</p>
<p>In high school, Basement Jaxx were just as fun for dancing as any of the punk records I loved at the time. As long as my friends show up at parties with mp3s or turntables or drum sets, I&#8217;ll keep dancing. Blog-house, frog-house,  whatever.</p>
<p>Oh, and maybe this is a credit to Mr. Fitzgerald more than anyone else, but the comments on this blog (and, in dance music blogs generally) tend to be more carefully crafted than any I read on the internet. Everyone up there above me: you have said some wise things.</p>
<p>Also&#8211;if any of the producers responding to Mr. Sherburne&#8217;s call for manifestos would like to hear of some DJs still using wax and decks, I would be happy to mail them a long list of blogs and names. For Pete&#8217;s sake, guys, you&#8217;re on the internet. Reality shouldn&#8217;t be THAT far away.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisdisco</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-268723</link>
		<author>chrisdisco</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-268723</guid>
		<description>@mikethehard: yeah, i had a kind of similar theory with melbourne. there was a real boom in the scene end of the 90s, early 00s and i think a big part of it was from people wanting to try E. and at that time, if you wanted to try E, it meant going to a dance party, of some sort. these days, in contrast, E has become a lot more popularised and is not so strictly associated with the dance scene. people who want to try it will have it at a pub or a mate's house or wherever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mikethehard: yeah, i had a kind of similar theory with melbourne. there was a real boom in the scene end of the 90s, early 00s and i think a big part of it was from people wanting to try E. and at that time, if you wanted to try E, it meant going to a dance party, of some sort. these days, in contrast, E has become a lot more popularised and is not so strictly associated with the dance scene. people who want to try it will have it at a pub or a mate&#8217;s house or wherever.</p>
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		<title>By: mikethehard</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-268720</link>
		<author>mikethehard</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-268720</guid>
		<description>I've always had a kinda (lose) theory about the cyclical nature of youth culture surrounding popular music and at its core is an idea that one form of music will be more popular than any other at a given time.
I think for me, the trance explosion at the end of the 90s was due to alot of kids who had been into Oasis and Blur, suddenly all wanting a little more and going to nightclubs and discovering E at the same time. I would argue that the downturn a few years ago and subsequent rise of minimal was largely the same people who got intro it through trance, prog or hardhouse a few years previously. I saw this downturn seperating those who were in it for the long haul and thsoe who simply wern't.

I *think* there's less kids getting into clubbing than when I did (see above). But, of course this could be an illusion of getting older.

I shall predict, if I may, that as the kids who are listening to Razorlight, the Klaxons, (or whoever the hell they are all listening to these days! ;) get further towards their late teens in the coming years that Clubbing, in the broad sense, will grow fast again.  The music that they latch onto, or the artists which are the catalyst for the change remains to be seen. (in the late 90s it was the Chemical Brothers, Prodigy and FatboySlim that provided the conduit from indie to electronic).

This applies to the UK in my opinion, but perhaps not right round the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always had a kinda (lose) theory about the cyclical nature of youth culture surrounding popular music and at its core is an idea that one form of music will be more popular than any other at a given time.<br />
I think for me, the trance explosion at the end of the 90s was due to alot of kids who had been into Oasis and Blur, suddenly all wanting a little more and going to nightclubs and discovering E at the same time. I would argue that the downturn a few years ago and subsequent rise of minimal was largely the same people who got intro it through trance, prog or hardhouse a few years previously. I saw this downturn seperating those who were in it for the long haul and thsoe who simply wern&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I *think* there&#8217;s less kids getting into clubbing than when I did (see above). But, of course this could be an illusion of getting older.</p>
<p>I shall predict, if I may, that as the kids who are listening to Razorlight, the Klaxons, (or whoever the hell they are all listening to these days! <img src='http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> get further towards their late teens in the coming years that Clubbing, in the broad sense, will grow fast again.  The music that they latch onto, or the artists which are the catalyst for the change remains to be seen. (in the late 90s it was the Chemical Brothers, Prodigy and FatboySlim that provided the conduit from indie to electronic).</p>
<p>This applies to the UK in my opinion, but perhaps not right round the world.</p>
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		<title>By: pablo/beaner</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-268253</link>
		<author>pablo/beaner</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-268253</guid>
		<description>just to throw in my two cents, but i dont think i've ever been more excited about house and techno, which is what i love about the genre(s). and while i personally may be in the minority when it comes to the mnml debate on the interwebs (i make my living from it and i love it more than ever), i have to take issue with what philip said about the length of the parties somehow contributing to a problem. in fact, closer to the ends of the lengthiest parties here in berlin are always when i hear the most breathtaking, risk taking, interesting, genrebending, mind melting, weirdo wonktastic techno and house tracks out there. no blaming it on the drugs either, since im usually just drunk. to me, the length and endurance of the parties in berlin are an important influence on how house and techno have changed in the minds of a lot of producers themselves. you think ricardo would have made ricardo music without crazy afterhours? (bad example, im sure he wouldve made something equally as good)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to throw in my two cents, but i dont think i&#8217;ve ever been more excited about house and techno, which is what i love about the genre(s). and while i personally may be in the minority when it comes to the mnml debate on the interwebs (i make my living from it and i love it more than ever), i have to take issue with what philip said about the length of the parties somehow contributing to a problem. in fact, closer to the ends of the lengthiest parties here in berlin are always when i hear the most breathtaking, risk taking, interesting, genrebending, mind melting, weirdo wonktastic techno and house tracks out there. no blaming it on the drugs either, since im usually just drunk. to me, the length and endurance of the parties in berlin are an important influence on how house and techno have changed in the minds of a lot of producers themselves. you think ricardo would have made ricardo music without crazy afterhours? (bad example, im sure he wouldve made something equally as good)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikeyro</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-267845</link>
		<author>mikeyro</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-267845</guid>
		<description>ignorance is bliss...remember the first time you heard "that sound"? I'll bet you didn't analyze bass cuts, or over-abundance of high hat hits, or whether or not the artist was being pretentious with his/her track selection. I second aNikdote's notion...dance jaded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ignorance is bliss&#8230;remember the first time you heard &#8220;that sound&#8221;? I&#8217;ll bet you didn&#8217;t analyze bass cuts, or over-abundance of high hat hits, or whether or not the artist was being pretentious with his/her track selection. I second aNikdote&#8217;s notion&#8230;dance jaded.</p>
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		<title>By: aNikdote</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-266959</link>
		<author>aNikdote</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-266959</guid>
		<description>Beautifully put Jacob. One of the main reasons why I rarely bother posting on anything anymore. Or maybe it's because I've been listening to the Anomie &#38; Ennui remix of "25 Jaded Bitches" too often...

I try incredibly hard not to get sucked into the vortex of paralysis by analysis that seems to exist within the electronic (and many other) music communities. The more you analyse music or the context within which you experience it, the less musical it inherently becomes. When you move past enjoying the experience to analysing the experience itself, the clarity and power is diminished. 

I'm all for quality critique and reflection, but never at the expense of the enjoyment. 

Dance jaded bitches, dance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautifully put Jacob. One of the main reasons why I rarely bother posting on anything anymore. Or maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;ve been listening to the Anomie &amp; Ennui remix of &#8220;25 Jaded Bitches&#8221; too often&#8230;</p>
<p>I try incredibly hard not to get sucked into the vortex of paralysis by analysis that seems to exist within the electronic (and many other) music communities. The more you analyse music or the context within which you experience it, the less musical it inherently becomes. When you move past enjoying the experience to analysing the experience itself, the clarity and power is diminished. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for quality critique and reflection, but never at the expense of the enjoyment. </p>
<p>Dance jaded bitches, dance!</p>
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		<title>By: Stef</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-266784</link>
		<author>Stef</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Maybe the younger much more open minded clubbers aren’t entering the scene at as rapid a rate as they were 5 or 6 yrs ago.'

In fairness, I remember people saying the same thing 5-6 years ago and they were pretty much right because at that time the  dance scene (at least in Ireland and the UK) was imploding. Just remember how bad things were in 2002 and 2003. In some ways the way things are today reminds me of just before that time but then again a crash may not be a bad thing, a lot of good came from the last one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Maybe the younger much more open minded clubbers aren’t entering the scene at as rapid a rate as they were 5 or 6 yrs ago.&#8217;</p>
<p>In fairness, I remember people saying the same thing 5-6 years ago and they were pretty much right because at that time the  dance scene (at least in Ireland and the UK) was imploding. Just remember how bad things were in 2002 and 2003. In some ways the way things are today reminds me of just before that time but then again a crash may not be a bad thing, a lot of good came from the last one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-266681</link>
		<author>Jacob</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/16/empty-or-not/#comment-266681</guid>
		<description>The thing about the internet is that 90% of the time people don't actually WANT to understand what the last guy said.  Forums are mostly a way to digitally recreate the experience of being locked in a room with several thousand opinionated coke users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about the internet is that 90% of the time people don&#8217;t actually WANT to understand what the last guy said.  Forums are mostly a way to digitally recreate the experience of being locked in a room with several thousand opinionated coke users.</p>
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