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		<title>By: Buddy</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-442333</link>
		<author>Buddy</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my perspective Omar S just came across as a pretty down to earth guy, he's just a normal bloke who works in factory at the end of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my perspective Omar S just came across as a pretty down to earth guy, he&#8217;s just a normal bloke who works in factory at the end of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: karl</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421890</link>
		<author>karl</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421890</guid>
		<description>@Ronan:  trust me, I don't think you're objective (i don't think anyone really can be objective.)  all i meant was critics aim at being more objective than someone like omar-s who may say something like "other producers? fuck that shit man, i only listen to my own shit now."  and as long as he keeps releasing good shit, that's a fine position for him to take.  writers aim at writing interesting, thought-provoking articles, so it makes sense to be expansive, but imo there's no point in asking a music producer to be anything other than what s/he is.   its like a novelist being like, "yeah, my book is shitty and boring, but that's real life's problem."  which would actually be pretty funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ronan:  trust me, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re objective (i don&#8217;t think anyone really can be objective.)  all i meant was critics aim at being more objective than someone like omar-s who may say something like &#8220;other producers? fuck that shit man, i only listen to my own shit now.&#8221;  and as long as he keeps releasing good shit, that&#8217;s a fine position for him to take.  writers aim at writing interesting, thought-provoking articles, so it makes sense to be expansive, but imo there&#8217;s no point in asking a music producer to be anything other than what s/he is.   its like a novelist being like, &#8220;yeah, my book is shitty and boring, but that&#8217;s real life&#8217;s problem.&#8221;  which would actually be pretty funny.</p>
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		<title>By: petepete</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421794</link>
		<author>petepete</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421794</guid>
		<description>'arrogance isn’t exactly an attractive attribute but comparing it to racial stereotypes is laughable.' 

i wasn't trying to make that connection. i suppose i just feel that people are putting words into ronan's mouth and being a bit uptight. as for the american brashness thing, i don't like to generalize but from my experience a lot of americans are quite loud and brash. i went to an american school for 10 years and an american university for 4 so i'm not making a comment like that out of thin air. i would never claim that all americans are brash, and i'm not a fan of blanket statements either, but when ronan says omar s' attitude is 'very american' i don't read it as a blanket statement. it may be a generalization, but that doesn't mean it has to be offensive. when people say dutch people are tall, the irish drink a lot, spanish are loud, etc. it doesn't mean they're referring to an entire population, but let's face it, most of these generalizations have some basis behind them. a lot of dutch people are tall, a lot of spanish people are loud. everyone generalizes to some extent, and yes, sometimes people may take offense, but i think some of ronan's statements are being overly scrutinized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;arrogance isn’t exactly an attractive attribute but comparing it to racial stereotypes is laughable.&#8217; </p>
<p>i wasn&#8217;t trying to make that connection. i suppose i just feel that people are putting words into ronan&#8217;s mouth and being a bit uptight. as for the american brashness thing, i don&#8217;t like to generalize but from my experience a lot of americans are quite loud and brash. i went to an american school for 10 years and an american university for 4 so i&#8217;m not making a comment like that out of thin air. i would never claim that all americans are brash, and i&#8217;m not a fan of blanket statements either, but when ronan says omar s&#8217; attitude is &#8216;very american&#8217; i don&#8217;t read it as a blanket statement. it may be a generalization, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it has to be offensive. when people say dutch people are tall, the irish drink a lot, spanish are loud, etc. it doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re referring to an entire population, but let&#8217;s face it, most of these generalizations have some basis behind them. a lot of dutch people are tall, a lot of spanish people are loud. everyone generalizes to some extent, and yes, sometimes people may take offense, but i think some of ronan&#8217;s statements are being overly scrutinized.</p>
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		<title>By: fantastic</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421188</link>
		<author>fantastic</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421188</guid>
		<description>"fantastic, you just have the typical racial paranoia thing going on, seeing things that aren’t there...you’re interpreting it incorrectly. and it does seem to be this american thing where people somehow find the most normal comments racist."

aside from the absuridty of "typical racial paranoia" (who decides what's paranoia &#38; what's valid - you I guess?), that about about "american thing" I could flip into it's a "Euro thing" to make racially insensitive comments &#38; be oblivious of it, though neither are true, just like Ronan's original characterizations were lazy generalizations (if stereotypes is too sticky a term).  pseudo pc, yeah whatever buddy.

once something is published (or posted) a reader's interpretation is just as valid as the writer's.  

also when did I say I was defending Omar-S "telling it like it is"?  arrogance isn't exactly an attractive attribute but comparing it to racial stereotypes is laughable.

look I wouldn't even bring this up if I didn't think Ronan's site was worth reading &#38; if his writing wasn't usually much better than this.  of course he can say anything he wants, including in his own defense, but I can also call him on something.  perhaps I came off a little harshly cos it pissed me off &#38; I did then I apologize but it's meant to be constructive criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;fantastic, you just have the typical racial paranoia thing going on, seeing things that aren’t there&#8230;you’re interpreting it incorrectly. and it does seem to be this american thing where people somehow find the most normal comments racist.&#8221;</p>
<p>aside from the absuridty of &#8220;typical racial paranoia&#8221; (who decides what&#8217;s paranoia &amp; what&#8217;s valid - you I guess?), that about about &#8220;american thing&#8221; I could flip into it&#8217;s a &#8220;Euro thing&#8221; to make racially insensitive comments &amp; be oblivious of it, though neither are true, just like Ronan&#8217;s original characterizations were lazy generalizations (if stereotypes is too sticky a term).  pseudo pc, yeah whatever buddy.</p>
<p>once something is published (or posted) a reader&#8217;s interpretation is just as valid as the writer&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>also when did I say I was defending Omar-S &#8220;telling it like it is&#8221;?  arrogance isn&#8217;t exactly an attractive attribute but comparing it to racial stereotypes is laughable.</p>
<p>look I wouldn&#8217;t even bring this up if I didn&#8217;t think Ronan&#8217;s site was worth reading &amp; if his writing wasn&#8217;t usually much better than this.  of course he can say anything he wants, including in his own defense, but I can also call him on something.  perhaps I came off a little harshly cos it pissed me off &amp; I did then I apologize but it&#8217;s meant to be constructive criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421177</link>
		<author>Ronan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421177</guid>
		<description>To be fair I did actually clarify and admit it was slightly lazy and prejudiced in the comments above...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair I did actually clarify and admit it was slightly lazy and prejudiced in the comments above&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ballyhoo</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421174</link>
		<author>ballyhoo</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421174</guid>
		<description>ronan, i agree fantastic's argument is a reach, and i'd be resentful too if  someone suggested i was being racist if i wrote what you did.  notwithstanding these comments, you still wrote what you did, and if you don't recognize what a bold statement it was, then now might be a good time to start thinking why.  i'd be curious to know.      

@petepete: "sorry, but if omar s doesn’t have to, why should ronan?"

this is a blog, a medium designed for interaction between writer and reader. when you put something on the table, you should be willing to debate it.  a can of worms has been obviously opened up here, initially by omar-s, who i don't expect to elaborate on what he's said considering he's not a blogger, and then by ronan, who should elaborate, precisely because a good blogger isn't afraid to address his readers.    

petepete, i'm not nitpicking.  ronan made a blanket statement about americans, which apparently you and ronan feel is a "normal" sentiment.  i disagreed, and now you call my sentiment  pseudo politically correct.  this suggest just as much of your cultural norms as it does mine.  i'm seeking clarification here, and you're being outright dismissive.  who's being aggressive now?     

"... and it’s his blog, so all these pseudo politically correct comments from some of you make no sense to me."

then you don't know what the merits of a blog or a comment section are.  the interaction blogs enable between writer and reader are essential.  if a writer isn't comfortable with the fact that a blog can get visceral and brutal, then switch your medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ronan, i agree fantastic&#8217;s argument is a reach, and i&#8217;d be resentful too if  someone suggested i was being racist if i wrote what you did.  notwithstanding these comments, you still wrote what you did, and if you don&#8217;t recognize what a bold statement it was, then now might be a good time to start thinking why.  i&#8217;d be curious to know.      </p>
<p>@petepete: &#8220;sorry, but if omar s doesn’t have to, why should ronan?&#8221;</p>
<p>this is a blog, a medium designed for interaction between writer and reader. when you put something on the table, you should be willing to debate it.  a can of worms has been obviously opened up here, initially by omar-s, who i don&#8217;t expect to elaborate on what he&#8217;s said considering he&#8217;s not a blogger, and then by ronan, who should elaborate, precisely because a good blogger isn&#8217;t afraid to address his readers.    </p>
<p>petepete, i&#8217;m not nitpicking.  ronan made a blanket statement about americans, which apparently you and ronan feel is a &#8220;normal&#8221; sentiment.  i disagreed, and now you call my sentiment  pseudo politically correct.  this suggest just as much of your cultural norms as it does mine.  i&#8217;m seeking clarification here, and you&#8217;re being outright dismissive.  who&#8217;s being aggressive now?     </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; and it’s his blog, so all these pseudo politically correct comments from some of you make no sense to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>then you don&#8217;t know what the merits of a blog or a comment section are.  the interaction blogs enable between writer and reader are essential.  if a writer isn&#8217;t comfortable with the fact that a blog can get visceral and brutal, then switch your medium.</p>
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		<title>By: petepete</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421165</link>
		<author>petepete</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421165</guid>
		<description>since everyone else is championing omar s' 'telling it like it is' approach, i don't think there's any problem with ronan doing the same. it's his opinion (which i agree with completely), and it's his blog, so all these pseudo politically correct comments from some of you make no sense to me. i'm all for discussion, but don't tell him how to write on his own site. disagree all you like, but don't nitpick and accuse ronan of being racist, insensitive, unobjective, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since everyone else is championing omar s&#8217; &#8216;telling it like it is&#8217; approach, i don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any problem with ronan doing the same. it&#8217;s his opinion (which i agree with completely), and it&#8217;s his blog, so all these pseudo politically correct comments from some of you make no sense to me. i&#8217;m all for discussion, but don&#8217;t tell him how to write on his own site. disagree all you like, but don&#8217;t nitpick and accuse ronan of being racist, insensitive, unobjective, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: petepete</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421164</link>
		<author>petepete</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421164</guid>
		<description>'he needs to be a bit more sensitive and /or be prepared to flesh out his reasoning to give it any sense of validity.' 

sorry, but if omar s doesn't have to, why should ronan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;he needs to be a bit more sensitive and /or be prepared to flesh out his reasoning to give it any sense of validity.&#8217; </p>
<p>sorry, but if omar s doesn&#8217;t have to, why should ronan?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421159</link>
		<author>Ronan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421159</guid>
		<description>that may be what you're saying ballyhoo, but others here have said far far more than that, I think it's them that petepete is disagreeing with and that I also disagree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that may be what you&#8217;re saying ballyhoo, but others here have said far far more than that, I think it&#8217;s them that petepete is disagreeing with and that I also disagree with.</p>
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		<title>By: ballyhoo</title>
		<link>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421158</link>
		<author>ballyhoo</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2009/02/11/ra-related/#comment-421158</guid>
		<description>all we are saying is if ronan is writing to a global audience, about an american producer, and makes a claim that characterizes an entire nation of people, he needs to be a bit more sensitive and /or be prepared to flesh out his reasoning to give it any sense of validity.      

regarding "and it does seem to be this american thing where people somehow find the most normal comments racist",
sullivan hits the nail on the head here: 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article5779850.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all we are saying is if ronan is writing to a global audience, about an american producer, and makes a claim that characterizes an entire nation of people, he needs to be a bit more sensitive and /or be prepared to flesh out his reasoning to give it any sense of validity.      </p>
<p>regarding &#8220;and it does seem to be this american thing where people somehow find the most normal comments racist&#8221;,<br />
sullivan hits the nail on the head here: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article5779850.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article5779850.ece</a></p>
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